Published Aug 29, 2018

#436: The Worth of War

Benjamin Ginsberg delves into the paradoxical role of war in shaping societies, arguing for its influence on political structures, technological innovations, and societal norms, while critiquing peace theories and highlighting the unexpected expansions in civil liberties driven by military needs. This episode offers a provocative exploration of how warfare has historically contributed to state formation and the evolution of citizenship.
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  • State Formation

    argues that warfare has been a crucial factor in the formation and dissolution of states throughout history. He explains that the ability to wage war has determined which states survive, as those unable or unwilling to engage in warfare often cease to exist 1. Ginsberg cites the example of the Moriori of the Chatham Islands, who adhered to pacifism and were ultimately destroyed by the Taranaki Maori 1. He emphasizes that war teaches rationality, as illustrated by Thucydides' account of the Peloponnesian Wars, where rational thinking was essential for survival 2.

    War is the answer to the most important, the largest questions of political life.

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    This perspective challenges the notion that peaceful discussion can resolve all political issues.

       

    Tech Advances

    Warfare has historically driven technological and scientific advancements, according to . He notes that many modern technologies, such as radar, the internet, and nuclear power, originated from military needs 3. Medical advancements, including antibiotics and surgical techniques, were also honed in military settings, highlighting the paradox of learning to save lives through war 4. Ginsberg points out that engineering principles, like the pulley and crane, were initially developed for military purposes and later adapted for civilian use 5.

    At the cost of life, we learn how to save life.

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    This underscores the dual nature of war as both a destructive and innovative force.

       

    Social Changes

    explores how warfare has influenced cultural and social structures, particularly in reducing state brutality. He explains that the need for citizen loyalty during wartime led to the development of citizenship and voting rights as governments sought to engage their populations 6. The concept of citizenship evolved as states recognized the importance of involving citizens in national defense, leading to social benefits and public welfare programs 7. Ginsberg warns that the shift towards professional armies may alter the state's obligation to its citizens, as seen in modern times when citizen participation in warfare is less necessary 7.

    Giving people the right to vote would help persuade them to encourage their loved ones to fight.

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    This reflects the complex relationship between warfare and societal evolution.

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