Energy and Urban Change
Justine emphasizes the need for cities to become more walkable and bikeable rather than solely relying on electric vehicles to combat pollution. She raises concerns about the growing demand for electricity, particularly from data centers, which could lead utilities to extend the use of coal and gas plants—counterproductive to climate goals. The conversation highlights that while individual consumer choices matter, significant change often requires top-down pressure from regulators and governments.In this clip
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