Consciousness and Sentience
Jordan and Frans delve into the fascinating topic of consciousness and sentience in animals. They discuss the capacity for animals to experience positive and negative emotions, the presence of pain and anxiety in fish, and the recognition of sentience in invertebrates. The conversation also touches on the intelligence and curiosity of octopi, challenging common projections of human emotions onto these creatures.In this clip
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The Biology of Good and Evil | Frans de Waal | EP 269
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