The Burden of Public Scrutiny
Jordan and Jonathan discuss the challenges of mainstream interviews, the burden of public sympathy, and the effects of politicized discourse on personal reputation. They delve into the desire for an enemy and the self-righteousness it brings, as well as the impact of being an easy target in a shifting cultural landscape. Jordan reflects on the drastic changes in his life and the difficulty of understanding his own character amidst it all.In this clip
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The Perfect Mode of Being | Jonathan Pageau | EP 156
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