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Published May 31, 2019

Jocko Podcast 179 w/ Jason Gardner: The Long Game. Millennials, Mindset, & Mistakes from Battle

Jocko Willink and Jason Gardner delve into leadership, military strategy, and personal growth, sharing compelling combat tales and actionable lessons on extreme ownership, communication, and overcoming adversity.
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  • Overcoming Failure

    and discuss the importance of overcoming failure and finding common ground. Jason shares his experience of failing the stalking section of sniper school and how he turned it around by setting clear goals and reassessing his actions constantly 1. Jocko emphasizes the value of humility and listening to others' perspectives to foster balanced views and mutual understanding 2.

    If you're humble and you say, you know what, I've got some ideas, but I'm probably not 100% right. Maybe I'm only 98% right. No, if you just look at other people and say, oh, you know what? I probably don't have the full solution for this. Maybe I should listen to other people's opinions and try and come up with a more broad based idea than just what I think.

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    Self-Reflection

    Self-reflection is crucial for personal growth and effective leadership. Jocko recounts how stepping into a leadership role made him more self-aware and critical of his actions, striving to set a good example for his team 3. Jason adds that managing relationships and knowing which battles to fight are essential for building trust and respect 4.

    When I look at myself from the outside, I know what it's like to be an E-5 in a platoon, looking at the officer going, oh, you forgot that piece of gear, did you? And you're in charge of me.

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    Building Relationships

    Building strong relationships is key to both personal and professional success. Jocko stresses the importance of professionalism and politeness, even towards those you may not like, to achieve mission success 5. Jason highlights the value of having a balanced partnership, sharing how his relationship with his wife has driven him to excel in his career 6.

    If I've got to be polite to someone to make that happen, if I've got to overlook the fact that someone might not be the personality type that I particularly like, I don't care. I don't care. Guess what? I'm going to deal with it.

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