Heart Disease Debate
John emphasizes that a whole foods, plant-based, low-fat diet has proven to reverse heart disease, while Joe argues that the relationship between meat and heart disease remains uncertain. They both agree on the importance of cutting out unhealthy foods and exercising for better health. The conversation highlights the need for more studies to explore the role of meat in heart disease reversal.In this clip
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How does diet reverse heart disease?
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