Published Sep 29, 2023

Lots More with Matt Levine and Mike Mackenzie

Join Tracy Alloway and Joe Weisenthal as they explore the complexities of bond market dynamics with Matt Levine, delve into Mike Mackenzie's vivid anecdotes from his swaps brokerage days in 1990s Tokyo, and share insights on writing engaging financial content alongside lighthearted workplace gossip.
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  • Basis Trade

    The treasury futures basis trade involves buying treasuries and selling the associated futures contract to pocket the spread between them. explains that this trade is typically leveraged by hedge funds to amplify the minuscule spread, which can lead to volatility in the market during times of financial stress 1. adds that the basis trade blew up in March 2020 due to unexpected interest rate volatility, causing a self-reinforcing loop of treasury dumping until the Fed intervened 1. notes that the trade exists because it provides an efficient way for long-only bond managers to gain exposure to treasuries 1.

    The great meta story of financial media is everyone overlearns the lessons of the last crisis and is like, oh, this blew up once, it'll blow up again. But actually a different thing always blows up again.

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    Alloway reflects on the media attention the basis trade has received, emphasizing that while concerns persist, the market conditions have changed since 2020 2.

       

    Bond Liquidity

    Bond market liquidity has been a significant concern, especially as banks have retreated from providing balance sheets, leaving high-frequency traders to fill the gap. highlights that despite fears, the modern system of treasury intermediation has proven resilient even in volatile environments 3. recalls the market's reaction in March 2020, when the Fed's announcement of a corporate bond-buying program calmed the market without significant purchases 3.

    People are worried about bond market liquidity. They really were.

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    shares his experience as a swaps broker in Tokyo during the 1990s, noting the dramatic market movements and the importance of liquidity during financial crises 4.

       

    Credit Influence

    The rise of private equity and their internal credit funds has significantly altered the credit market landscape. argues that private equity's involvement reduces the likelihood of a credit blow-up, as they possess extensive information and resources 5. notes that private equity firms do not have to mark to market as frequently, creating an illusion of liquidity 5.

    Private equity is now the big player in credit.

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    This shift in market dynamics has led to a more stable credit environment, with private equity firms holding a significant amount of dry powder ready to deploy during market downturns 5.

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