Abraham Verghese and Denise Pope — How Do You Want to Be When You Grow Up?

Challenging Norms

In redefining success, Denise Pope and Abraham Verghese challenge traditional metrics emphasized in education and careers. Denise highlights how engagement and community involvement are often overlooked in favor of grades and test scores, which can lead to a narrow view of success 1. She argues that true success involves being passionate and involved in one's community, which is not necessarily measured by academic achievements 1. Abraham adds that success should not be confined to job titles or financial gain, but rather include the art of being alive and the complexity of human experience 2.

It's really important...adding a thinking, feeling, empathetic, morally driven person to this world is probably the most important thing you can do.

--- Denise Pope

This perspective encourages a broader understanding of success that values personal fulfillment and societal contribution 3.

   

Vocation

The concept of vocation extends beyond professional careers to encompass a broader life calling. Krista Tippett and Abraham discuss how vocation can include various roles throughout life, such as parenting or community service, which may at times take precedence over professional work 4. Abraham shares a personal story about his son, who prioritizes passion over financial success, illustrating a shift towards valuing meaningful work over traditional career paths 4.

I just want to make enough money in doing this thing I love to do.

--- Abraham Verghese

Denise emphasizes the importance of being open and curious, suggesting that a true calling emerges from exploration and risk-taking rather than predetermined paths 5.

   

Educational Influence

Educational systems significantly shape perceptions of success and student well-being. Krista Tippett notes that the current educational focus on academic achievement often conflicts with the development of social and moral capacities essential for a fulfilling life 6. Denise Pope argues that fostering strong relationships within schools can enhance student engagement and learning, yet systemic barriers often hinder these connections 7.

We know that if you feel safe and you feel like you belong and you're excited and engaged, you're more likely going to learn.

--- Denise Pope

She advocates for structural changes in schools to prioritize student well-being and holistic development over mere academic performance 7.