What is true nothingness?

Neil deGrasse Tyson, in his discussion with Jordan Harbinger, sheds light on the concept of true nothingness. He explains that space is often mistakenly viewed as nothing, but in reality, it contains rarefied gas molecules, virtual particles, and even permeates with the laws of physics. True nothingness would be a state where there is an absence of matter, energy, and even the laws of physics. Such a state is difficult to conceptualize because it would mean stepping into an environment where even the forces holding the molecules of your body together would not exist, leading to a complete breakdown of physical form 1.