The Pragmatic Case
Liz Specht discusses the importance of emphasizing the practical reasons for reducing meat consumption, such as climate change and pandemic risk, rather than solely focusing on ethics. She explains that education alone has not been effective in changing dietary habits and highlights the need for solutions that work globally.In this clip
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Food, Climate, and Pandemic Risk: A Conversation with Bruce Friedrich and Liz Specht (Episode #244)
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