Published May 22, 2020

Jennifer Garvey Berger — The Knowledge Project #84

Jennifer Garvey Berger delves into thriving amid uncertainty by managing complexity, maintaining emotional wellbeing, and enhancing parenting strategies, highlighting the power of curiosity and authentic interactions.
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  • Managing Complexity

    Jennifer Garvey Berger emphasizes the need to apply every lesson learned about complexity to navigate the current uncertain times. She shares her personal struggles and how she uses creativity and perseverance to stay sane and support the leaders she works with. also discusses his challenges with productivity and the importance of being kind to oneself during these times 1.

    I find myself falling into every trap I've ever written about or ever seen any other leader fall into. I fall into them, like, before breakfast.

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    Both Jennifer and Shane highlight the importance of routines in maintaining a sense of normalcy and control.

       

    Controlling the Uncontrollable

    Jennifer discusses the importance of controlling what we can and letting go of what we can't. She compares the urge to control everything to a sugar rush, which is ultimately unhealthy. Shane and Jennifer explore how people are desperate for predictability and how redirecting that energy towards self-care and immediate relationships can be more beneficial 2.

    Our tendency when we're under threat or stress is to try and control everything. And I'm wondering now, with so much that's so patently out of our control, whether people are learning how to put down that kind of sugar rush of control.

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    They suggest focusing on what can be controlled and accepting the uncertainty of the future.

       

    Curiosity and Complexity

    Jennifer highlights the need for a different kind of curiosity to navigate complex situations effectively. She explains that traditional problem-solving curiosity is not suitable for complex worlds. Instead, she advocates for asking deeper, more open-ended questions to understand the broader context 3.

    What's the meaning of this? What are all the possibilities here? What's most unexpected about this? What are you just beginning to see?

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    This approach can lead to better understanding and more meaningful insights.

       

    Better Listening

    Shane and Jennifer discuss the importance of better listening and empathy in complex situations. Jennifer shares that allowing for more silence and getting curious about the other person's experience can lead to deeper connections. Shane adds that this period is an opportunity to work on emotional awareness and providing space for others to express their emotions 4.

    For me, it's about getting curious. For me, it's about how can I there's a way when I'm trying to solve something, I lose the person I'm talking to.

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    They emphasize the value of understanding and empathy over immediate problem-solving.

       

    Moving Forward

    Jennifer reflects on the idea that history never goes back to normal after significant events; instead, it moves forward into something new. She discusses the process of grieving lost possibilities and embracing new opportunities. Shane and Jennifer agree that this period of transformation is filled with both grief and joy, and it offers a chance to create something fundamentally new 5.

    When huge things happen, we don't go back. We go forward and something new, something dies and something new is born.

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    They highlight the importance of living in the moment and recognizing new possibilities.

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